tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post2552318452876932730..comments2024-03-04T13:23:26.433-06:00Comments on Stardust Musings and Thoughts for the Freethinker: Christopher Hitchens and Al Sharpton on HardballStardusthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-15055028291732941062007-07-04T15:03:00.000-05:002007-07-04T15:03:00.000-05:00IG:The space-time theorem says what it says. I'm n...IG:<BR/><B>The space-time theorem says what it says. I'm not relying on any philosophical argument. Atheists will say and do anything to avoid a creator of the universe.</B><BR/>The hell you're not. You're personifying like crazy.<BR/><B>A theorem is a proven statement. If the universe contains mass and general relativity is accurate then there must exist a CAUSE that brings the universe into existence independent of space time matter and energy.</B><BR/>I agree there's a cause. There's no FIRST cause. Unless you can violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, & create & destroy matter (ex nihil nihilo fit).<BR/>Otherwise, you welcome infinite regress? If everything has a 'first cause', then what caused said 'first cause'?<BR/><B>I guess Einstein imagined general relativity up in his head and Penrose and Hawking imagined the space-time theorem up in their head and it has no basis in reality.</B><BR/>Presuppositionalism at it's bizarre finest.<BR/>This doesn't mean that it has a human face, or is bipedal. Or even has opposable thumbs.<BR/>Really. What an eye-roller.<BR/>Playing the quote game:<BR/>Hawking - "We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet"<BR/>Penrose - "So what I'm saying is why don't we think about changing Schrodinger's equation at some level when masses become too big at the level that you might have to worry about Einstein's general relativity. "<BR/>Einstein - "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."<BR/>As to the last - welcome yourself to the ranks of the mediocre.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-45875288625416245912007-07-04T14:36:00.000-05:002007-07-04T14:36:00.000-05:00infinite glory--It may be the case that your concl...infinite glory--<BR/><BR/>It may be the case that your conclusion is true, that is, God exists. But I know with certainty your argument is invalid.<BR/><BR/>You cannot pull a non-tautological rabbit out of a tautological hat. It is true that every effect has a cause. One cannot infer from this necessary truth the contingent proposition that every event has a cause.jhbowdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12377271992125388319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-76943278518685807932007-07-04T14:01:00.000-05:002007-07-04T14:01:00.000-05:00A theorem is a proven statement. If the universe c...A theorem is a proven statement. If the universe contains mass and general relativity is accurate then there must exist a CAUSE that brings the universe into existence independent of space time matter and energy. General relativity is the most accurate principle in physics. So, the space-time theorem and it's corollary can be trusted. It's beyond reasonable doubt. I guess Einstein imagined general relativity up in his head and Penrose and Hawking imagined the space-time theorem up in their head and it has no basis in reality. How much more bizzare can this get? Even after I put a copy of it up on the board? You're right the earth is flat.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-56476728261633762582007-07-04T13:52:00.000-05:002007-07-04T13:52:00.000-05:00ka and outofcontrol, You've both made excellent po...ka and outofcontrol, <BR/><BR/>You've both made excellent points.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-32985394467540811142007-07-04T13:47:00.000-05:002007-07-04T13:47:00.000-05:00Infantile gloryThe evidence for your god is only i...Infantile glory<BR/><BR/>The evidence for your god is only inside your own brain. Believers have their own ideas of god according to their own imagination and however they want this god to be according to their own morals, values, preconceptions and desires.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-24908656118799468222007-07-04T13:42:00.000-05:002007-07-04T13:42:00.000-05:00Infitile gloryDo you understand English?Do yo know...Infitile glory<BR/>Do you understand English?<BR/>Do yo know what a Theorem is?<BR/>And which god do you believe started all this??<BR/>Have you had talks with him or her or it?<BR/>We ask for one fact, not theory, not conjecture, not idea on the existence of a god.<BR/>You do not present one, as with other believers, you take what you want and elevate it to "factual status."<BR/>What a maroon.outofcontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00956939932835604816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-25816192295833134742007-07-04T13:31:00.000-05:002007-07-04T13:31:00.000-05:00The space-time theorem says what it says. I'm not ...The space-time theorem says what it says. I'm not relying on any philosophical argument. Atheists will say and do anything to avoid a creator of the universe.<BR/><BR/>Completely bizzar even after I put it up on the board.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-43484125976637094092007-07-04T13:17:00.000-05:002007-07-04T13:17:00.000-05:00I put a copy of the space-time theorem on the boar...I put a copy of the space-time theorem on the board.<BR/><BR/>No it's the atheist who twists physics to fit their belief system and their attempt to control the beliefs of society.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-45284642959168293342007-07-04T13:14:00.000-05:002007-07-04T13:14:00.000-05:00Once again the space time theorem of general relat...Once again the space time theorem of general relativity establishes a transcendent CAUSE must exist. I never said anything about Jesus Christ. I never said Einstein believed in Jesus Christ and I never said Antony Flew believed in Jesus Christ because they don't and they don't believe in an afterlife.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-48901924562745173942007-07-04T13:08:00.000-05:002007-07-04T13:08:00.000-05:00infinite glory:Wow, that's some leap of faith you'...infinite glory:<BR/>Wow, that's some leap of faith you've made there. <BR/><B>So, the corollary of the space-time theorem is that if general relativity is accurate there is not only a beginnng to space, time, matter, and energy but there must also be a non-physical transcendent Fist Cause.</B><BR/>Okay, 1st off, you're mixing in Aquinas' 'Fist Cause' (wow, the innunedoes that spring to mind) w/ modern physics. I think Hume demolished that already.<BR/>2nd, yes Virginia, there WAS a beginning to the universe, & time, but you've muddled the rest (using Newtonian concepts: space & time are interwined, but energy/matter's ALWAYS been around).<BR/>3rd, as Carrier states in his book 'Sense & Goodness w/o God', atheists & theists are in disagreement over the <I>details</I> of what caused it all.<BR/>4th, you're misquoting Einstein wildly. What Einstein believed (or didn't) has no bearing on his work, anymore than Newton's.<BR/>5th, Flew's not a prime mover in our world. In fact, we don't <I>have</I> any such person. You misunderstand the whole hierarchy.<BR/>There is none.<BR/><B>The universe was created by a non-physical transcendent CAUSAL AGENT.</B><BR/>How terribly inconvenient, that you can't prove that except by twisting physics to your needs, no?Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-14091905677565226332007-07-04T12:50:00.000-05:002007-07-04T12:50:00.000-05:00infinite glory, Your example of Einstein only prov...infinite glory, <BR/><BR/>Your example of Einstein only proves that humans contemplate the idea of a god, but still that is not proof that a god exists.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-58447975173184424582007-07-04T12:49:00.000-05:002007-07-04T12:49:00.000-05:00infinite gloryyou still have not provided one shre...infinite glory<BR/><BR/>you still have not provided one shred of concrete evidence for the existence of a god. You have only provided only your own assumptions based on your own thoughts and ideas and analysis of things you have read. It still proves nothing.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-33657414653127130832007-07-04T12:45:00.000-05:002007-07-04T12:45:00.000-05:00Infinite.That is me.The Casual Agent.Please send a...Infinite.<BR/>That is me.<BR/>The Casual Agent.<BR/>Please send all cash and donations to my personal bank account.<BR/>Prayers are personal, and you can keep them to yourself.<BR/><BR/>Of course you are basing your belief in me on a THEOREM. That is like believing in Jesus because of the bible. NO FACTS , only fantasy.outofcontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00956939932835604816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-78528232646977726062007-07-04T12:43:00.000-05:002007-07-04T12:43:00.000-05:00Creator and the bizzare attempts of the naturalist...<I>Creator and the bizzare attempts of the naturalists to get arround it will continue as they try to control society with their ideologial belief system.</I><BR/><BR/>You are taking what atheists say about god botherers and turning it around. I know the game you play. The power-hungry have used god concepts to control the ignorant and superstitious masses.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-7848395817064576322007-07-04T12:12:00.000-05:002007-07-04T12:12:00.000-05:00As time goes on the conclusion of the space-time t...As time goes on the conclusion of the space-time theorem will grow stronger for a transcendent Creator and the bizzare attempts of the naturalists to get arround it will continue as they try to control society with their ideologial belief system.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-53941913518057443412007-07-04T11:34:00.000-05:002007-07-04T11:34:00.000-05:00Albert EinsteinI believe in Spinoza's God who reve...Albert Einstein<BR/><BR/>I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.<BR/><BR/>My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to percieve with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.<BR/><BR/>Once again the space-time theorem of general relativity states that if General Relativity accurately describes the dynamics of the universe then space and time must have a beginnig along with matter and energy. Also, there must be a transcendent CAUSAL AGENT that brings the universe into existence. General relativity is now established as the best proven principle in all of physics. It's beyond reasonable doubt. The universe was created by a non-physical transcendent CAUSAL AGENT.<BR/>Again what we see is the irrationalism of atheists unable to deal with scientific facts.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-54710601624893848092007-07-04T10:51:00.000-05:002007-07-04T10:51:00.000-05:00infinite.you are a personal idiot.You did not give...infinite.<BR/>you are a personal idiot.<BR/>You did not give a fact.<BR/>You gave an idea, that you construed as a fact.<BR/>Belief in god is an idea, that you have made a fact in your own mind. You need help with realityoutofcontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00956939932835604816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-44061563762314970852007-07-04T10:50:00.000-05:002007-07-04T10:50:00.000-05:00What a buffoon you are infinite.Infinite buffooner...What a buffoon you are infinite.<BR/>Infinite buffoonery.<BR/>Religion is learned, not innate to humans.<BR/>If there was a fact to support your god, then all people who are religious would have to believe in your god. Since there is not one fact, again NOT ONE FACT, to support a believe in god, to believe in god is fantasy. There is more evidence to believe in Superman than there is in god. Using your logic prove to me that there was not a Superman.outofcontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00956939932835604816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-86371790254099943302007-07-04T10:49:00.000-05:002007-07-04T10:49:00.000-05:00I just gave you evidence beyond reasonable doubt f...I just gave you evidence beyond reasonable doubt for a transcendent creator.<BR/>Antony Flew doesn't believe in an afterlife.<BR/>It's really amazing how atheist can never deal with the scientific facts. They always attack people personally.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-21127440534130543712007-07-04T10:45:00.000-05:002007-07-04T10:45:00.000-05:00It appears according to my sitemeter that infinite...It appears according to my sitemeter that infinite glory is from Plano, Texas, <BR/><BR/>Texas...that explains it.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-43823970710126914982007-07-04T09:19:00.000-05:002007-07-04T09:19:00.000-05:00Infinite glory,That proves only that Antony Flew (...Infinite glory,<BR/><BR/>That proves only that Antony Flew (no s) believes something without evidence. Lots of people fear death and out of that fear try to find some way to cope with that fear, and to try to magically live forever.<BR/><BR/>Again, provide one shred of positive evidence for the existence of your god.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-36602564043914758912007-07-04T09:02:00.000-05:002007-07-04T09:02:00.000-05:00I forgot to mention Antony Flews recent conversion...I forgot to mention Antony Flews recent conversion to Deism. As he would say (the intelligent man that he is) we must follow the evidence wherever it leads.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-91776518576359939692007-07-04T08:43:00.000-05:002007-07-04T08:43:00.000-05:00Infinite glory,Where is your proof of your god?Do ...Infinite glory,<BR/><BR/>Where is your proof of your god?<BR/>Do you go to the doctor when you are sick, or do you pray to your god and trust him to heal you?<BR/>Humans turn to other humans for help. When they don't, no help comes. You either have to help yourself or rely on others.<BR/>There is no magic.<BR/><BR/>Einstein was agnostic, at most. Christians always try to twist the facts, and make up explanations to justify their beliefs.<BR/><BR/>Albert Einstein said: “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-25306165583303437632007-07-04T08:31:00.000-05:002007-07-04T08:31:00.000-05:00It looks like the facts don't agree with you. Athe...It looks like the facts don't agree with you. Atheists try to justify their beliefs with facts even though there are none to support their beliefs. Richard Dawkins is the prime example of bafoonery. Like Einstein said I believe in a Superior Reasoning Power. He believed because of the evidence. Neither was he trying to support hid already prior beliefs.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342042981695750691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-90654904502955659592007-07-04T08:24:00.000-05:002007-07-04T08:24:00.000-05:00infinite gloryYou sound like the dumbass on the sh...infinite glory<BR/><BR/>You sound like the dumbass on the show who could not form a decent question.<BR/>Your thought is if it is unexplained then it must be god who made it.<BR/>So if you do not know how the F-22 is made, then your ignorance says that god made it.<BR/>Do not use theories or ideas to explain to prove god, try using one fact, any fact to prove god. Since there is none you have no case. Since you believe you obviously have a serious mental problem and should seek help.outofcontrolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00956939932835604816noreply@blogger.com