tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post370481134994236491..comments2024-03-04T13:23:26.433-06:00Comments on Stardust Musings and Thoughts for the Freethinker: Moroccan woman denied citizenship to France because of her radical practice of IslamStardusthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-11717337239078282712008-07-20T22:54:00.000-05:002008-07-20T22:54:00.000-05:00I've yet to read about militant Christian fundamen...<I>I've yet to read about militant Christian fundamentalists being denied immigration to France, including the ones who go there to proselytize.</I><BR/><BR/>libhom, that is an excellent point. Fundamentalist Christian missionaries are globally immigrating other countries with the intention to "convert" others to their same extreme Christian beliefs and few find anything wrong with that. It would indeed be interesting to know if Christian extremists are held to the same standards and judgments as other fanatics of other religions.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-68959224167794240312008-07-20T22:27:00.000-05:002008-07-20T22:27:00.000-05:00Some Muslim women veil for reasons that sound rela...Some Muslim women veil for reasons that sound relatively reasonable. Some do it because they are uncomfortable with what they see as the objectification of women in Western society. Others veil as a way of making a strong stand in favor of being a Muslim.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, in Euro-American culture, facial expressions are an important part of communication and building/maintaining trust. Someone wearing a mask has historically been up to mischief at best and looking to harm people anonymously at worst.<BR/><BR/>Also, the ideology behind the veil in Islam (that women are dangerous and must be covered up and hidden as much from male contact as possible), is hateful and bigoted against the narrow majority of the world's population.<BR/><BR/>In an ideal world, there would be no religion at all. In countries where there is an assumption of the general population that anyone who is of a non-Christian faith is suspect, you have to wonder how Christian religious extremists are treated. I've yet to read about militant Christian fundamentalists being denied immigration to France, including the ones who go there to proselytize. <BR/><BR/>I think the whole thing is a complicated mess filled with double standards and other contradictions.libhomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537213558568338561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-45935629889778360952008-07-15T11:37:00.000-05:002008-07-15T11:37:00.000-05:00Poodles and bifrost, After reading comments and do...Poodles and bifrost, After reading comments and doing more thinking, I am going to stick with my first instincts of "Way to go, France!" If a person chooses to immigrate to another country, then they should expect to assimilate into that society. If they do not like that society then they need to go somewhere else which is more compatible to their radical religious beliefs...or stay where they are. <BR/><BR/>It seems that since this woman did not wear the hijab in Morocco, then why does she want to wear it in France? To show a sign of defiance against French society? I don't know what her reasons are for suddenly becoming more "devout" in her "religious modesty".Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-20894458517453264952008-07-15T11:09:00.000-05:002008-07-15T11:09:00.000-05:00"But, what if the woman chooses this sort of life ..."But, what if the woman chooses this sort of life for herself?" <BR/><BR/>Can any uneducated person that is reared in the society they wish to perpetuate be said to have truly made a free choice? If Islam is all she knows, then how is her choice an informed decision? <BR/><BR/>Should France have denied her citizenship? It is their preogative; at least they did not deport her back to the abuse she would have received in her homeland.Bifrosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00322761031269160340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-39941428571226780762008-07-14T19:32:00.000-05:002008-07-14T19:32:00.000-05:00I think if someone who was practicing marrying chi...I think if someone who was practicing marrying children wanted to become a citizen here most of us would have an issue with that. I think this is similar in that if this woman rears her children in the "rules of Islam" as opposed to the rules of France then they are smart to deny her that.Poodleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04058132060541145052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-20653167946832914522008-07-14T15:01:00.001-05:002008-07-14T15:01:00.001-05:00Can't these radical islamists find comfy homes in ...Can't these radical islamists find comfy homes in the Arab world? They want to live in the west and condemn it at the same time. I don't get anyone who wants to live somewhere that they hate. If you don't want to be free, then why not just stay where they are at?<BR/><BR/>Most likely because they love capitalism, but want to cling to their skydaddy beliefs at the same time. They want the good life of having stuff, but want to ensure they will go to the magical kindom where lots of stuff is promised after they die, too.<BR/><BR/>Religious people want the best of all worlds, real and imagined.Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18955218.post-26093638085996978922008-07-14T14:54:00.000-05:002008-07-14T14:54:00.000-05:00"Should we deny them citizenship on grounds of bei..."Should we deny them citizenship on grounds of being extreme in their religious beliefs or if they are of cultures radically different from our own?"<BR/><BR/>Our country is like our home. We have <B>absolute power</B> (as well as the right) to decide which strangers may live under our roof and which may not. <BR/><BR/>Kudos to the French; they have more courage than wimpy Americans these days.jhbowdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12377271992125388319noreply@blogger.com