Sunday, March 05, 2006

Great quote on a comment thread

"He [god] seems way too cowardly to tell me to my face that he is real and what's more, he has to send people in my path, many of whom are just the most arrogant, argumentive, self-righteous, judgemental sons-of-bitches imaginable, to 'witness' to me."

20 comments:

Jason H. Bowden said...

From freedom of speech to killing the infidel, it is astonishing how gods can never do their own dirty work. Maybe, just maybe that's because they aren't real?

Chase Vaughn said...

Here is a favorite quote of mine.

"The spoiling of man seems always to begin when urban living predominates over rural. After man has left the country to shut himself up in vast piles of stones, . . . after he has come to depend on a complicated system of human exchange for his survival, he becomes forgetful of the overriding mystery of creation. Such is the normal condition of the deracine. An artificial enviroment causes him to lose sight of the great system not subject to man's control. Undoubtedly this circumstance is a chief component of bourgeois mentality, as even the etymology of 'bourgeois' may remind us. It is the city-dweller, solaced by man-made comforts, who resents the very thought that there exist mighty forces beyond his understanding; it is he who wishes insulation and who berates and persecutes the philosophers, the prophets and mystics, the wild men out of the desert, who keep before him the theme of human frailty."

-Richard M. Weaver

Stardust said...

resents the very thought that there exist mighty forces beyond his understanding

Chase - There are no gods...there might be things we do not understand but we cannot write off what we do not know as an imaginary sky friend who never speaks for himself.

Join the world of freethinkers and dump your superstitions Chase...free yourself.

Stardust said...

it is astonishing how gods can never do their own dirty work. Maybe, just maybe that's because they aren't real?

But there IS a Santa (oops god)...there IS, there really IS.

Stardust said...

Also, my husband, family and I are very much lovers of nature and the environment, which most christians don't seem to care about since they believe they are going on to "a better place" anyway.

I have been to 47 states, Canada and Mexico...camping out under the stars, running down the white sand dunes of White Sands, watching the whales in Maine, Climbing up Going-to-the-Sun Road in Glacier National Park...walking on a huge glacier there. We have experienced nature camping in a tent in zero degree weather. Drinking from mountain streams. Nature is magnificent. The city if also magnificent. It has hustle and bustle...popcorn shops, flower and fruit markets...and a multi-cultural gathering of peoples from all over the world who, for the most part are very friendly here in chicagoland and can accept each other's beliefs. Sure there are gangs members and the crime...but that is everywhere. In the rural areas there are people like to get drunk and beat up town gays. Beat their wives and children.

I think many christians are looking at the negative because that is what they are taught to focus on...the bad..how you are bad, how the world is so bad, and the good is overlooked. I prefer to see the good in things. Chicago is an awesome town...the town of my birth. I will always hold a special place in my heart for it.

Chase Vaughn said...

"Also, my husband, family and I are very much lovers of nature and the environment, which most christians don't seem to care about since they believe they are going on to "a better place" anyway."

I glad you qualified this statement with the word most. Christians who do this are wrong. God created us as stewards of his creation, meaning that not caring about the enviroment is a sin. Now, I did not say that not advocating a certain position on how to be a steward was a sin. That is the debatable part. Nevertheless, Christians are called by God to be good stewards of the world.

Also, this problem probably comes from a pie in the sky view of heaven. The fact is, the Bible doesn't teach that we will live in the clouds playing harps. Instead, it is an earthly picture. The Bible teaches that the earth will be redeemed from its present corruption. A new earth, and the children of God will be free to investigate and cultivate this renewed universe into all eternity.

Stardust said...

Chase...
There are no gods, goddesses, unicorns, Santa Clauses, Easter Bunnies, tooth fairies, ogres, pixies and whatnots. So, stop trying.
I have heard it all before. I do not accept it.

Jason H. Bowden said...

Chase Vaughn --

I'm guilty as charged. We cannot know what we cannot know.

Lya Kahlo said...

"Maybe, just maybe that's because they aren't real?"

"You know your gods are fake when they hate who you hate." Who said that?

JustinOther said...

So the man from whom the quote originates has not commented on here. He must be shy.

hehe

And you are right. I've heard plenty of people say that they don't take care of the environment because they'll be in heaven before we destroy it ( or at least something to that effect).

Chase Vaughn said...

"And you are right. I've heard plenty of people say that they don't take care of the environment because they'll be in heaven before we destroy it ( or at least something to that effect)."

Couldn't agree more. I've heard it from people growing up. The problem is that they did not read what the Bible says. It presents a very different picture. Most people are influenced by a very Gnostic or Platonic hermeneutic. They read references to in the flesh or in the spirit as ontological phrases. Instead, they are to be understood in light of the Bible's teaching on the two ages, this age and the age to come. So instead of reading spirit and flesh ontologically(inherited from Platonic thought back to Origen and Augustine which paints heaven as otherworldly), it should be read eschatologically. The flesh correspondes to this age, and the spirit corresponds to the just as fleshly(ontologically speaking) age to come.

So, I engage in culture and the preservation of it. Revelation states that the glory of the kings will come into the new earth. Will there be better Beethoven in the new earth? Maybe. The greatest things KNOWN in this age will pale in comparison with the perfect stewarding of God's redeemed, perfect culture in the age to come.

Stardust said...

Chase - I am glad you agree about that we need to take care of the environment, but for every bible verse you quote, there can be found a quote in your dusty old book to contradict it. Read Skeptics Annotated Bible if you dare. I guarantee you will not be struck by a lightning bolt if you do.

Also, there are no gods, goddesses, unicorns, ogres, fairies, pixies, demons, devils...or whatnot...don't make me keep reminding you that you are on an atheist blog.

Stardust said...

Commandment 5 of TEN COMMANDMENTS:
UPDATED FOR A MODERN AGE.

Thou shalt use thine own imagination,
and not just quote from the Bible all the time.

BaconEating AtheistJew said...

There are lots of quotes. My favorite right now is by Asia Carrera pornstar and Mensa member:

."Science explains everything. Religion is silly."

JDHURF said...

Lol!! Bacon eating atheist jew, that was the best yet! You can't be wrong with porn stars on your side, lol!

Chase Vaughn said...

Bacon Eating Jew,
that's the "appealing to the professional fallacy"

heh, just kidding.

JustinOther said...

hey, I trust a porn star more than god...

hehe

and they're better looking.

Stardust said...

An porn stars are probably much kinder people than some of the xians who have corrupted me to be mean here in blogland!

JustinOther said...

Don't let 'em get to ya. They want you to be mean to prove that atheists are mean people without morals...

Kill them with kindness.

Stardust said...

Justinother-

That's how I usually try to be. I am really a nice person! Blogland has done something to me. LOL!

I think it is the anonymity that makes it easier to just say what one wants to say out loud but we are usually too polite to. After years of holding back and letting xians just have the upper hand in EVERY conversation and event just to be polite, I think this blog is a great outlet for all that I have wanted to say out loud. I really do try to be polite and give people a chance to say what they want to say, but when they start preaching and and I ask that they stop and keep to topic and they don't stop preaching...well...I think humor works great...or the delete key. :-D

I have found atheist bloggers to have such a great sense of humor, and their blogs are interesting, creative, happy...and most are very, very witty. I think I have been having a little too much fun sometimes. LOL I have to go back to work on the 22nd and will probably go through "withdrawal" since I will only be able to check here a couple times a day.