Thursday, July 19, 2007

Dueling Christians continued . . .

This post is a follow up to the recent fuss in the news about the Pope's declaration that other Christian denominations not being true churches. While the Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary says "this is not a theological game for children", he contradicts himself with a childish rebuttal, "any church defined by the claims of the papacy is no true church. " This little game of "who's the True Christian" has been going on for a long, long time, but it's amusing for us non-believers to watch them sparring and chiding each other about what is the proper way to worship something for which there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of.

Addition: Austin Cline at gives a brief atheist perspective on the whole True Christian
In principle, every Christian church has a right to insist that only they are fully Christian, but from an atheistic perspective all are equally Christian. Atheists consistently have to deal with Christians telling us that this or that group aren't "really" Christian (because they are violent, because they accept gays, etc.). Cases like this, though, where the Vatican is officially denying the validity of all other claims to being equally Christian help reveal why we outsiders just can't accept such claims at face value.

By The Associated Press Thu Jul 19, 12:03 PM ET

LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Instead of taking offense at a recent Vatican statement reasserting the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, evangelicals should seize the chance to respond with equal candor that "any church defined by the claims of the papacy is no true church," according to a prominent Southern Baptist leader.

The Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, wrote on his blog that he appreciated the document's clarity in voicing a key distinction between Catholics and Protestants over papal authority. He said those differences are often forgotten "in this era of confusion and theological laxity."

"We should together realize and admit that this is an issue worthy of division," Mohler wrote. "The Roman Catholic Church is willing to go so far as to assert that any church that denies the papacy is no true church. Evangelicals should be equally candid in asserting that any church defined by the claims of the papacy is no true church. This is not a theological game for children, it is the honest recognition of the importance of the question."

This month, the Vatican released a document restating the contention that the Roman Catholicism is the one, true path to salvation. Other Christian communities are either defective or not true churches, the document said, restating the views of a 2000 document.

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which Pope Benedict XVI headed before becoming pope, said it issued the new document because some contemporary theological interpretations of the Second Vatican Council's ecumenical intent had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt.


Tommy said...

Better they spend their time bashing each other than us atheists!

Stardust said...

tommy, I still say they should make a reality television show and let all religious folks go at each other for our entertainment.

Tommy said...

Yeah, they should have a cage match between a Catholic wrestler and a Baptist wrestler.

Or eevn better yet, they should have one of those tag team matches where sometimes a person will join the other side to beat up his own team mate.

They could have a Pentacostal and a Mormon up against a Catholic and a Baptist, then the three of them start beating the shit out of the Mormon midway through the match.

Tommy said...

BTW, I have a couple of new posts up I think you will like!

Stardust said...

Throw in some off the wall Christians like the snake handlers and Westboro Baptist Church for some real fun action! Since the Amish are neutral and rather stand on the sidelines they can be the referees. (I am so evil.)

Stardust said...

ok tommy, will go over and check them out.

vjack said...

Tommy is right - far better for them to be divided like this than focused on us. I like the reality show idea - something along the lines of "When Christian attack...Christians."

BEAJ said...

This is Stardust inspired:)

Naomi said...

beaj, your Stardust-inspired video is very funny! Thanks for the laugh.

(How could we not laugh? They make such easy targets, don't they...)

BEAJ said...

I could have really done a top notch job but I got lazy around half way through. I'm regretting that I didn't include a pic of a girl in Catholic girl skirt versus a street hooker. It was an afterthought.

The thing took me over 3 hours to put together. Finding pics, editing pics, timing the pics with the music, doing research on the Pope who wouldn't divorce Henry the 8th, etc.

Stardust said...

beaj, we just got our internet up and running again today so just saw your video...LOL! That was a great find...and so fitting to my dueling Christian segments.

I still say we need a reality tv show featuring dueling Christians of various denominations each week.