Wednesday, December 27, 2006

God’s little good vs evil games

This post is inspired by recent disagreements (to put it mildly) with fundies who choose to believe in a perfect, all-loving god. No xian I have ever encountered has had an adequate explanation as to where evil in the world came from, except to say that it came from god-given free will, human nature, disobedience of humans to follow the rules laid down by the great sky daddy and a host of other reasons they have to choose from in their mental databases of fantasy. But, at the same time they say that their god created all things and saw that they were good. So, where did evil come from if this god only created good?

If we examine closely what the Bible says, evil was instigated and started by god and his “who has the bigger dick” games in heaven and giving his celestial counterparts (angels, including Lucifer) the choice of joining him or rebelling and fighting to overthrow him. Then later god makes a little game of keep-away-from-evil in the Garden of Eden after creating his ignorant little human pets,and then punishes them and all of the human race for merely using their free choice option.

In both stories of the fall of Satan, and the fall of Adam and Eve, this god of xian mythology gives his creatures a choice even though he knows that he can only accept one. If he wanted his creatures to have free will, and he is an all-good god, why not have multiple good choices instead of bringing evil into it? Here were beings, freshly created, who supposedly didn’t know anything yet, but god put bad in their brains. If this god had wanted obedient little puppies, he shouldn’t have created evil choices for his creations to choose from in the first place.

I have brought this subject of the origins of evil up to many xians and the question really agitates them when trying to explain it to me. They come back with “god gave us free will”…and I counter with “and free will to choose what?” They say , “to choose between good and evil”…and I say, “where did the evil come from?”…they say “Satan”…and I say…”WHERE DID SATAN COME FROM?” and they say “Satan was one of god’s fallen angels.” I then ask, “how did Satan fall?” They say, “he chose evil”…I then ask “where did the evil come from that Satan chose?”….Using their logic…it all goes back to GOD, and xians hate pinning responsibility for evilness on their god. Yet, that is where it all leads back to according to their own mythology book.

They get quite flustered with this debate and come quite close to telling me to just go to hell. :twisted:

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Once God set up the conditions in the Garden of Eden, thou shalt not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he imparted knowledge of good end evil. Don't eat fruit = good, eat fruit = evil. And being the omniscient God he is supposed to be, somehow he couldn't see it coming that Adam and Eve would eat the fruit (or that the snake had such powers of persuasion).

This God is a moron, right. Not only does he fail to create what he wants in humanity, he then goes on to blame humanity for those failures. If a building falls down, you don't blame the building, you blame the builder or the architect. If ever there is or was a god, it's pretty clear that it's all his fault.

Anonymous said...

In reading the Old Testament, I think one conclusion is inescapable: If there is a god, it is an evil god.

Jeffy said...

It all can't really be taken literally, it just would never make sense, and it all seems like such petty nonsense to a "god."
Christians like to say they choose between good and evil, according to their little book that has been written and edited over the past 1800ish years, but they present themselves with only internal struggle. Things labeled as evil, like eating the fruit of knowledge (all xians and believers of nonsense do not like truth and knowledge, it disproves and disrupts their fantasy), basic instincts like sex, swearing, etc, are all things humans want and pursue. Xians hate themselves for all this "evil" and that is why they are fake to everyone else (like being pleasant though they think you are the devil), and condemn others because they only condemn the things they wish to possess freely if their religion would let them. Hypocrites...
To me, god is definitely a moron, and not all powerful and omniscent... only a mere being with a few creative powers, fighting others for control over such small insignificant creatures. He must either be bored or shallow, because if I were him, I'd disintegrate myself if I had to hear millions of prayers every day about "saving little Fifi" and "please make me a better christian."

Stardust said...

This God is a moron, right. Not only does he fail to create what he wants in humanity, he then goes on to blame humanity for those failures.

Darwin's dagger - The xian god is more like a trickster god. He sets his creatures up in a no win situtation. Obey and be his little obedient mindless lapdog, or he will throw you to watch you swim forever in a lake of fire! This god is a dick.

Stardust said...

In reading the Old Testament, I think one conclusion is inescapable: If there is a god, it is an evil god.

vjack, exactly.

Stardust said...

He must either be bored or shallow, because if I were him, I'd disintegrate myself if I had to hear millions of prayers every day about "saving little Fifi" and "please make me a better christian."

jeffy (and et?)- That's too funny imagining gawd listening to all these millions of whining xians begging for this and that and then he puts his finger to his temple and "ZAP!" GONE...lol!

Dan Dascalescu said...

The theme of God disintegrating himself is treated in Scott Adam's amazing book God's Debris, which is available for now in PDF format from http://www.andrewsmcmeel.com/godsdebris/