Sunday, January 21, 2007

Absurd belief

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

I never got the bit about how people say that "jesus is god." When I considered myself a christian, which is quite a while ago, I always thought of jesus as being the SON of god, but not god.

I dunno, the whole triune god thing or trinity is inexplicable.

Anonymous said...

That is a good one.

KOM said...

Over from Reddit -

I agree with the flavor, but not the reasoning. Rather, to assume that God would be "rational" is too limiting. If God does exist, it's a whole lot bigger and more complex than we can imagine - it won't be tripped up by reasoned human paradoxes.

Stardust said...

If God does exist, it's a whole lot bigger and more complex than we can imagine

KOM - And why do you assume this? Your thinking is a bit similar to that of the theist in that since you do not understand the complexities of the universe, you assume the cause must be attributed to some "complex higher power."

I do not believe any supernatural beings exist, but for the sake of discussion, if a god did exist, what's to say that this god isn't just a nerdy lab scientist doing little experiments that he isn't able to control?

Anonymous said...

kom:
If God does exist, it's a whole lot bigger and more complex than we can imagine - it won't be tripped up by reasoned human paradoxes.
Judging from the piss-poor flaws in design, I'd assume that said deity is more than easily tripped up from the get-go, human paradoxes notwithstanding.

Stardust said...

Judging from the piss-poor flaws in design, I'd assume that said deity is more than easily tripped up from the get-go, human paradoxes notwithstanding.

ka...excellent point. Seems that this creator cannot create anything that is not defective in some way. Nothing lasts, even the stars die out in time. If this god existed and if we were made in this god's image, chances are then that this god is already long dead.

Anonymous said...

As a Christian I find this post to be absolutely..... wonderful. Here is another 'Absurd belief' idea for an image. How about a man walking with Jesus on the golden walls of the New Jerusalem. As they both look over the wall the man spots his wife (the love of his life) writhing in agony as she is tormented in hell (for eternity). The husband turns to Jesus and says, "isn't heaven just magnificent. I get to watch the love of my life be tormented for eternity. Thank you Jesus."

Stardust said...

The husband turns to Jesus and says, "isn't heaven just magnificent. I get to watch the love of my life be tormented for eternity. Thank you Jesus."

I hope you are being sarcastic. Some people who have made this comment are serious.

Yes, it is absurd that a loving, all-powerful god would have to resort to such trivial sadistic games of heaven and hell. I would never want to see my children suffer, and even if they abandoned me tomorrow, I would not wish them harm.

If a god exists and this heaven and hell baloney were true(which I do not believe), then hell would be overflowing with a lot of good people, and heaven will be filled with a bunch of pompous, pious assholes.

Anonymous said...

I hope you are being sarcastic. Some people who have made this comment are serious.

Sarcasm... yup! I have come to enjoy my conversations with the thinking atheist, as opposed to the lazy ones who are just as bad as the lazy theists.

There has been much preached from the pulpits that is pure unabated garbage. And the unthinking (non-studying) just lap it up.

I believe christianity to be true, but I find it revolting (and comical) in the framework of understanding that your cartoon as well as my heaven hell narrative portray it.

If something can be made to look so stupid, then I have either mis-understood it, or it is stupid.

Stardust said...

Skye - how refreshing...a reasonable christian! Thanks for taking the time to come back and clarify! Stop by again!

Stardust said...

And another thought...if heaven is the "goal" and the ultimate place to be, why would an omniscient, omnipotent being even create an earth and creatures to fill it while teaching them to hate their mortal lives? Don't believers ever think about that one?

Anonymous said...

Its more like "god" chose to experience the limitation of an evolutionary world of time-space---then the evolving mortals slowly work their way back up the ladder (so the next world is not the end either, but just another "grade" in the cosmic school--no hell or punishment btw, just more lessons on quantum forgiveness and co-operation.

Yes, the so-called "atonement doctrine" was a primitive concept from earlier times (the dying-god myth) tacked-on at some point to the story of Jesus.

Eventually the original message of love, forgiveness and compassion was distorted into one of guilt and fear (created by the church to help subjugate the masses)

Here's a link to a better version of the meaning of Jesus' death-
http://tinyurl.com/2ylwae

For other updates see also: ACIM, Gospel of Thomas, Gary Renard, Nag Hamadi etc.

Stardust said...

Paul, What is really absurd is to believe that an omnipotent, omniscient "puppetmaster" god exists who made an entire universe and would be so interested and involved in one tiny speck of a planet in all of the cosmos and even more interested in billions of tiny inferior specks of creatures that inhabit the planet.

The word "god" is just a replacement word people use for things they do not know or cannot explain.

USpace said...

Great one, cool stuff...

absurd thought -
God can not be quantified
so therefore must not exist

man can't measure beyond Space
so then does it not exist
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